Clinton supporters, what does this mean?

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

As a white male Obama supporter who has been quite willing to support Hillary in the event of her victorious attainment of the nomination, I find the above statements to be horrifyingly divisive, offensive, and frankly indefensible.  And I am utterly perplexed how any good Democrat could feel otherwise.  I am willing to consider an opposing perspective--but first let me clarify why I feel the way I do.

The first sentence is presumptious, and in my personal case utterly false.  My family and I all share a tremendous affection for Barack Obama that may not make sense to all of you, but it isn't based on his race.  It's on something palpably attractive and reassuring, in that he's youthful, somewhat dorky, but confident in his skin.  And tremendously eloquent, able to address what are to me core issues of concern regarding the political process.  

I understand perfectly well that others may not feel the same way, but to denigrate it by assigning it strictly to his race is the height of presumption.  For every vote that Obama may gain by being black, he might as well be losing from others BECAUSE he is black.  Who the hell is to say otherwise?

The second sentence is equally indefensible.  FWIW, Carol Moseley-Braun was my favorite candidate in 2004, because of her calm, dignified persona and her stands on the issues.  For numerous months Hillary led in the public polls, despite the alleged liability that she is a woman, and that most Democratic voters are women.  There is an equally valid but similarly unproven contention that Hillary's popularity is based largely on the fact that she is a woman, and certainly I know some Democrats whose first reason for voting for Hillary is because they want a woman to be in the White House, "for my daughter's sake", etc.  As a white male I'm the first to admit I've already had enough confirmation of my demographic self-worth, so identity politics isn't a driving force for me.  But I don't discount these concerns when discussing politics with my friends, and given the fact that Ferraro's ONLY singular qualification for her historic placement was her gender, she seems particularly ill-suited to make the case against this sort of affirmative action.

As for being lucky to be where he is, well I'd have to say that Hillary is as well.  As brilliant as she is, there are many other similarly qualified woman that haven't had the calling card of having an ex-POTUS for a husband, and fundraiser.  And if she doesn't get to be President, Hillary is still a lucky human being, no matter how you slice it.  So why is it worth mentioning, except to obviously demean the cagey political skills of Barack Obama and his campaign organization?

Finally, there's the question of "the concept".  Look, there's plenty of "concept" to Obama's pitch, but it's not that he's black.  And if Ferraro or anyone else is too thick to get it by now (God knows Hillary supporters mock Obama's campaign enough because of the "concept"), I doubt I can clarify it any further.

Regarding Ferraro's pathetic defense of the above remarks, calling critics like me (???) "racist", well, she couldn't have sounded more like some tone-deaf upper-class racist Republican biddy if she had tried.  IMO, she's an embarrassment to herself and to the Clinton campaign.

But hey, I'm all ears as to how you fellow Democrats can enlighten me regarding the above.              



Display:


Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (2.00 / 2)

Again.  Grow up, people.

Obama has benefited significantly b/c he is Black.  I, truly, don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend.  Nor do I understand why this is a bad thing. I don't like the guy, but I know a great many white folks just adore him because of what he "represents".  Sure, some of that has to do with his "youthfulness", but most of it comes from him being Black and what that would "represent".

Deal with it.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:51:19 AM EST

Oh. My. God. (2.00 / 2)

What a repugnant comment: Part 2


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:53:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh. My. God. (none / 0)

What is so repugnant about it?  Don't tell me you are "offended" by a Black man?  Such an admission must surely rattle the innards.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:56:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh. My. God. (1.50 / 2)

What is so repugnant about it is that it diminishes all that is good and great about Obama --  his brilliant oratory skills, his demonstrated record of trying to make the world a better place, and yes, even his "rock star" persona -- and reduces it to a simplistic and erroneous conclusion.

How would Clinton supporters react if someone said the only reason she is where she is is because she married well? Which is certainly more true than Geraldine Ferraro's statement.

I'll tell you how they'd react. Their heads would exploed.


by sam2300 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:30:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That was soooo good. n/t (2.00 / 1)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:48:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh. My. God. (none / 0)

What is so repugnant about it is that
it diminishes all that is good and great about Obama

As a black intellectual I am utterly offended by this allegation.
Why on earth should anybody valuing somebody's blackness
DIMINISH ANYthing else about that person???
Valuing people's blackness is not morally
equivalent to devaluing or undervaluing it;
it is in fact the appropriate antidote.

That many (though of course not all) white people who
are voting for Obama are doing it at least partly because
he is black is a fact, not an opinion.
A white freshman Senator with similar talents would simply
have had to wait his turn & settle for Vice president
this time around,  and this IS NOT JUST a hypothetical situation:
We know how good John Edwards' oratorical skills are because he's
talked juries into a billion dollars worth of awards
with them.  He also had 2 more years of experience in the
Senate (in '04) than Obama has at this point in '08.

OK, he wasn't editor of the Harvard Law Review, but his wife
was at the top of their class in their law school, and he was right behind.
As to why Obama was at Harvard's Kennedy school as opposed to the
(very good) state law school that Edwards had to go to,
let us remember that unlike Barack Obama, John Edwards was not privileged
to graduate from the most elite prep school in his state --
he went to a public high school and got
to deal very directly with its getting integrated.

The claim that "this is repugnant" says more about the
racism of the claimant than it does about anything else.
 Yes, Virginia, more than a few white racists are supporting Obama.
They are supporting him because a black candidate who is not
campaigning on the issue of what white America owes black America
is their best defense and immunization against our claims:
he enables them to dismiss the rest of us as claiming too much,
to say that we ought to be grateful for so much "progress"
(in what our leaders look like; dang what they deliver).


by IvoteMay6th on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:42:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

This has to be one the dumbest things I have ever heard?  He has benefited because he is black?  Yeah, I bet a lot of black men in America are thrilled that they are black -- what with all the positive stereotypes and attributes that go along with being a black man in America...

Seriously, HRC et al need to cut this shit out.  It is blatantly racist, passive aggressively sexist, divisive, and very similar to the Karl Rove playbook.

Clinton and her supporters are grasping at straws in the final days of dying campaign.  She cannot win; all she can do is scorch the Earth on her way out the door.  I'm sorry that your preferred candidate has lost, grow up and stop trying to destroy the party because you didn't get your way.


by Rockville Liberal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:57:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (2.00 / 4)

Excuse me, but I'm psyched to be Black.  I see that must come as a shock to you, but I'm damn happy.

The notion that I couldn't possibly be "thrilled" at who I am is, in fact, the most racist and disgusting sentiment imaginable.

You need to check yourself, my friend.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (2.00 / 3)

No, not really.  What is shocking that you, as black man, aren't offended by the fact that the HRC campaign is reducing Obama's success to the fact that he is black - not that he is intelligent, articulate, learned, experienced, and HONEST (I understand if this is a foreign concept to HRC supporters).

Ms. Ferraro is deriding Mr. Obama's campaign as a sort of sideshow - Oh look at the black man run for president...it's shameful.  It's shameful you're defending it...


by Rockville Liberal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:20:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There was no defense (2.00 / 2)

of any of those remarks.  BrockNYC was attacking the assumption that he has no pride in his physical self, that his identity is not to be valued- which is, like he said, the most disgusting sort of racism.

When it comes to diversity, no one said it better than Audre Lorde:

"It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."

Now Geraldine Ferraro was not celebrating those differences, but neither are you.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:32:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I believe we were told... (2.00 / 1)

... to "grow up" for not recognizing the essential "truth" of what Ferraro said...

That Obama has benefited significantly because he's black.

To try to turn this conversation into suggesting that now somehow WE are devaluing Obama's racial diversity is complete sophistry.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:44:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Your rabid support has (none / 0)

blinded you to anyone else's version of the 'truth' and now you refuse to see the simplest thing without filtering it through your selected lens.

This is not where we need to be.  Who the fuck cares what Ferraro has to say?  Apparently all of us now because we have been told to care.

This is not the first time that this primary battle has been taken out of our hands by the media and similar regurgitaters of sensationalism, but I fear this one will not subside.  Its scary and if you cannot see how BrockNYC was offended at the suggestion that he is not 'thrilled' to be black, then I don't know what can bring you back.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:22:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That was clearly... (2.00 / 1)

not what was intended. An less than artful choice of words, sure. But you know exactly what the commenter meant about not being "thrilled."

He was in no way suggesting that black people aren't proud of being black. Obviously he was saying it sarcastically in reference to the obvious challenges our still racist society poses for people of color.

Typical Clinton BS of trying to obfuscate and parse words out of context...


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:41:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then why, oh why (none / 0)

couldn't you have just said that to begin with instead of choosing to defend the remark from the outset without substantiating your defense- as you clearly just did?

And why, oh why can you give this commenter the benefit of the doubt, but you are unwilling to extend the same to any Clinton supporter?


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:52:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Because I didn't fully understand... (2.00 / 1)

... what your comment was referring to, since I didn't parse out the comment to try to score rhetorical points.

Now that we're on a level playing field, I think it should be clear that the commenter was not in any way attempting to suggest that black people are not proud to be black.

I'm, of course, willing to give Clinton supporters the benefit of the doubt. Just so happens that there's really not much doubt whatsoever as to what the message here is.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:57:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Did you miss the bit (none / 0)

where you attacked a black man for taking offense at the comment?  That was disrespectful, of not just him, but of his opinion.

I don't know what the commenter meant, she/he hasn't responded to anything (which could mean anything).

I believe that the commenter had the best of intentions, but it is obvious that it was interpreted differently than you assume it was intended.

What bothers me most about the comment is that who ever this person is, he dares to speak for an entire 'group' of people as if his/her thoughts were fact.  That really bothers me.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:04:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What bothers me... (2.00 / 1)

... is that Ferraro's comments were offensive.

And that the Clinton campaign was almost as defiant as she was in response to the appropriate outrage they caused...

Please don't divert the discussion from this essential point to make this about a misconstrued random comment from an anonymous blog commenter.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:38:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice... (none / 0)

Accusing people of being racist for being offended by Ferraro's comments...

Kind of like accusing Obama of being racist for expressing concern about the Somali garb photo being used to inflame xenophobia and racism.

The ability of some Clinton supporters to withstand such cognitive dissonance is stunning.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:21:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

you do not, repeat do not (2.00 / 2)

get it.  He was in no way defending anyone's attack on Ferraro, but rather arguing that his identity does have value and should be valued.  

If you cannot see that from the above comments then it is definitely you that needs to check yourself.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:37:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The racism of the overly PC liberal (none / 0)

why on gods green earth would you assume that black men are not 'thrilled' to be black?  This is the most disgusting thing I have read in a while and it just exposes the ignorance of your argument.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

Wow, I wish you could delete that. Maybe you didn't mean it the way it sounds, but it comes across as incredibly, unbelievably offensive.

Most African Americans I know are happy that they're black. They don't want to be white; they're immensely proud of themselves and their culture -- as they damn well should be. They're not thrilled about the discrimination they so frequently face, but there's a kind of quiet pride that they've managed to fight it well enough to get along. A lot of them are angry, yes. They deal with a lot more sh*t than white people, no question. But to say that they're not thrilled to be black simply because our flawed society thrusts those negative stereotypes upon them is insane. The necessity of standing up in the face of adversity has inspired pride in many of my black friends; their common struggle has also bound many of them together. They're happy with who they are, they're just not always happy with us.

Racism is a horrible thing, and we should do everything we can to eliminate it. But to assume that AAs somehow resent their heritage because bigotry exists is passively bigoted in and of itself. You need to think before you type.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:03:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What is difficult to comprehend? (none / 0)

What is difficult to comprehend is that someone could look at the political landscape in the US and say with a straight face that being a black man is a big advantage.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:08:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is the last time I will go to this subject (none / 0)

but did you read the whole argument?  She was saying that in THIS democratic primary, at THIS point in time it is easier to be a black MAN than it is to be a WOMAN OF ANY COLOR.

Her subsequent remarks are certainly much more fueled by emotion and less defensible, but she feels attacked, as a WOMAN.  Not a white woman, but as a woman "of any color" for the way in which she and Clinton and other women are still treated by our media.

Her argument is valid if it is taken as a whole.  It is only made into a 'racist' statement if we want it to be one.


by linc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:32:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I disagree (none / 0)

If she had left it at she feels attacked as a woman she would have my full support. Anyone who can't see sexism is alive and well in the US is as willfully blind as those who can't see racism.

But to say that Obama is only where he is because he is black is false and indefensible. It is particularly indefensible considering she said the exact same thing about Jackson in 1988. That doesn't leave her any doubt to benefit from.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is difficult to comprehend? (2.00 / 1)

C'mon, isn't it obvious?  

Once you account for those black men who aren't unfairly denied access to social services, who aren't disproportionately victims of the CJS, and who do not experience unemployment/underemployment rates at several multiples of white men, and who aren't among the many who fail to graduate high school, things are just peachy.  Better than peachy because their natural competitors have been removed from the game.  Things are just great for those black men!

BALTIMORE -- Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics, a flurry of new scholarly studies warn, and it has worsened in recent years even as an economic boom and a welfare overhaul have brought gains to black women and other groups.

Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

Especially in the country's inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined.

Although the problems afflicting poor black men have been known for decades, the new data paint a more extensive and sobering picture of the challenges they face.

"There's something very different happening with young black men, and it's something we can no longer ignore," said Ronald B. Mincy, professor of social work at Columbia University and editor of "Black Males Left Behind" (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

"Over the last two decades, the economy did great," Mr. Mincy said, "and low-skilled women, helped by public policy, latched onto it. But young black men were falling farther back."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/20/nation al/20blackmen.html


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:37:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Black advantage? (2.00 / 2)

Any one who thinks being Black with a Muslim name is an advantage in American national politics is an idiot.

It's the kind of over the top crap you would expect from Ann Coulter 'all the Latte Sipping Bleeding Heart Liberals are only voting for Obama because of white guilt', 'he's an affrimative action hire'. Or maybe David Duke 'the libruls are giving the country away to the minorities, he's only where he is cause he's black which means he gets advantages white guys don't have'.

It's incredible that a Democrat could repeat this KKK propaganda. How is it if being black is such an advantage that there is only one black Senator? How did Blacks with all the advantages they have over whites wind up at the bottom of the economic totem pole? When did wingnut talk radio horse manure become the narrative of Democratic candidates?

If Obama with his talents was white, had a name like Bill Clinton and a nice folksy southern inflection in his voice he would already be the party nominee.


by hankg on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:07:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (2.00 / 2)

So people saying that Hillary is only in this position because she is a woman and who she is married to would be acceptable?

When Powers made her "Monster" statement, the Clinton campaign called for her ouster and said that this was a character test for the Obama campaign.  Sorry, but this comment is far worse.  Obama had run an amazing campaign and, at the very least, is toe-to-toe with Hillary Clinton.  Its dumb to denigrate that basically calling him an affirmative action candidate, it's offensive to the large number of democrats supporting him.

I was initially backing Edwads, I support Obama because I think he is the best candidate.


by labor nrrd on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:15:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

It's essentially what Gloria Steinem said in her now historic NYT op-ed piece, published just days before the New Hampshire primary, and credited for shoring up the eroding support for Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinio n/08steinem.html


by Sieglinde on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:51:31 AM EST

Are you on the wrong site? (2.00 / 1)

"They are giving him slack because they want to see black MEN take more of a leadership role."

Shouldn't you be on a rightwing blog somewhere?


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:53:13 AM EST

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (2.00 / 2)

It means Geraldine Ferraro is an idiot.  Which has exactly WHAT to do with Clinton?  Yes, Ferraro is on her finance committee.  However, as so many Obama fans pointed out, that's no big deal, it's not like she's working for the campaign or anything. Actually, that's what they said when Rezko, who was on Obama's Senate campaign finance committee, was indicted.

As for Hillary's response to Ferraro's comments, it is almost EXACTLY the same as Obama's response to criticism for Jesse Jackson Jr's comments:

But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.


by dhonig on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:58:46 AM EST

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

You are a jerk. The same Clinton campaign asked for an unpaid adviser (Powers) to be removed immediately from the Obama campaign, after she made an equally stupid comment in England (not on right-wing talk radio and Fox News, as GF did).


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:13:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

And isn't it funny how, whenever Obama is about to be in a primary with a large African American population, race again becomes an issue?


by dhonig on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:59:53 AM EST

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

And women generally favor Hillary.  But am I bitching about it?


by paul minot on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:13:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

Ask GE why she brought it up at this time and not another time, maybe? You are so dishonest, it stinks.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:13:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

To me he was just the best (none / 0)

that Howard Dean and the DNC could come up with to keep Hillary from winning the nomination. Now that they realize that most Democrats aren't going along with it they don't know how to get out of the mess they've created.


by JimR on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:02:45 AM EST

A mess for Hillary (none / 0)

Since Obama is ahead in the popular vote by about 800,000 now and ahead in the delegates and the odds of Hillary catching him on either number are almost nill there is no mess to get out of. Even if Hillary manages a 'big' win in PA odds are overwhelming that come the convention Obama will be ahead by every measure and will easily get the nomination.


by hankg on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:03:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To me he was just the best (none / 0)

Umm... how exactly do you define "most?"


by Gimmeliberty on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:12:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Enough to stop Obama in a GE. (none / 0)


by JimR on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:24:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah and you know (none / 0)

millions of voters who voted for Obama all conspired against Clinton.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:44:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

91% of black voters in MS voted for the black candidate. This is conclusive proof of racism on the part of Hillary Clinton.


"TX,OH,PA,KY,IN,WV,PR,MI & FL !"
by Thomas J Jefferson on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:09:00 AM EST

It is what it is (none / 0)

Comments are correct.


by sterkt on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:10:35 AM EST

Re: It is what it is (none / 0)

Correct like "separate yet equal" were correct?  Correct like opponents of the 19th amendment and statement's such as this "As I read political history, the facts go to show that the fundamental principles of our Government are more opposed to the exercise of suffrage by women than are those of monarchies. To me it seems that both despotism and anarchy are more friendly to woman's political aspirations than is any form of constitutional government, and that manhood suffrage, and not womanhood, suffrage, is the final result of the evolution of democracy." were correct?

Correct like that?


by Rockville Liberal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:28:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What does it Mean (none / 0)

Let me point out to you that Ms. Ferraro is not part of the Clinton campaign. She is a supporter,  just like many of us here in MYDD.
Lets get that straight.

Secondly, regardless of what you feel about Ferraro's comments- that fact of the matter is there are many democrats,republicans, independents who share her views but would NEVER DARE say it publicly.

In today's Politically Correct world, it takes a lot of cajones to really say what you feel. In the political spectrum, the "PC CROWD" is predominantly within the Democratic Party.

Republicans don't worry about being Politically Correct. And you & Obama will see that first hand in November if he is the nominee.

Anyone here who can HONESTLT say that OBAMA's being Black has absolutely NOTHING to do with ALL the ATTENTION in the last 36 months by the public , ALL the MEDIA HYPE in the last 36 months, ALL 16 Front Covers of National & Regional Magazines, All the Reluctance in the MSM to really go hard on him compared to how the MSM treated Howard Dean, Kerry, Gore, Bill Clinton -
is either NOT being Totally honest with himself OR you are simply so caught up in the hype yourself.

Is he a great politician with a golden tongue? Absolutely! No one is taking that against him.

Now does his "Race" hurt him or help him in this 2008 campaign. Anyone here with half a brain can answer that clearly. We should all celebrate that.

A Black man who happens to have a non-western sounding name Barack Hussein Obama has a real shot of winning the U.S. election. That's huge achievement that everyone should be proud of.

But for some to TOTALLY PRETEND or IGNORE that his race has actually benefited him in year 2008 especially among Liberal White Voters & Young White voters is being in DENIAL.

Let me end by saying, I am a successful business owner for almost 20 years. I own branches of my business in 4 states.

I am an active officer in  both my state & the national Chambers of Commerce. Just like the rest of society, business owners are also engrossed with his High Drama 2008 race.

We have many " Very Successful Marketing Consultants" within our networks. Every single one of these consultants have stated many times that Obama has turned his Race & Ethnicity into an ASSET instead of what many expected before this started as a possible major Liability.

He has marketed himself as a candidate who can unite & reach out to ALL Races &  ALL Political Views. But his CREDIBILITY to PROCLAIM himself as a UNITER is No Doubt Helped by he happening to be a Minority person.

If some white male out if Illinois starts proclaming that he can bring White, Black & Brown people together- the impact & the credibility would NOT even be close .

But I will end by saying what many non-obama democratic supporters are apprehensive to say publicly but feel very strongly about.

If Barack Obama is the nominee & happens to lose the General Election, There is No Doubt in our minds that one Key Factor for his defeat will be because of this RACE, his name, and the perception about his Muslim connection. ( even if not true)

As Republican Operatives keep saying in anonymously. The swiftboating of John Kerry will look like Child's play after they're done with Obama in the Fall campaign.


by labanman on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:24:46 AM EST

National Campign Finance Committee... (2.00 / 2)

... Member is not just a "supporter."

Having the campaign send out official emails from you is not just a "supporter."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea se/view/?id=1420


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:30:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

Barack Obama is a tremendously talented orator and leader.  He is a man of immense accomplishment.  Nobody should try to detract from his talent or accomplishments.

Having said that, I think it's fairly obvious that only an African-American could put together the kind of coalition he has, of 80+% support from the AA community and strong support from the well-educated upper-income community.  It is his ability to pull together both these groups that allows him to transcend what Bill Bradley, Gary Hart, etc. could achieve in electoral strength.  They too  received support from the more educated, upper-income portion of the Democratic/independent electorate, but didn't have near the support of AAs that Obama has.

Of course if a person of Obama's talent was of a different racial background, perhaps they could put together a different but equally successful coalition.


by markjay on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:28:11 AM EST

Sure... (none / 0)

But that's obviously not what Ferraro was saying...


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:31:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Plus... (none / 0)

I also disagree. Since Bill Clinton was able to pull together that coalition, as well.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:31:58 AM EST
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Re: NOBODY (none / 0)

Did the mainstream media give Bill Clinton a FREE Pass ? Did the MSM put Bill Clinton in 16 Front Cover magazines? Did the MSM give Bill Clinton 36 months of FREE 100% unchallenged media coverage even if he was not a front runner?

NO ONE is history, No Democrat or Republican Presidential candidate- has EVER RECEIVED the Kind of 3 year Honeymoon from the American Media as Obama.

Not even a Nominee has ever received this kind of POSITIVE, FREE, UNCHALLENGED unified positive spin from the MSM. Nobody but Obama. ( who was not even a frontrunner  when this all started after 2004)

And Frankly, we may never see it again in decades to come.

Now tell me, what is the difference between Obama & ALL the previous Republican & Democratic candidates & Presidents in our history?


by labanman on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:44:24 AM EST
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Re: NOBODY (2.00 / 1)

The media free-pass meme is getting old and getting older by the day. It's completely subjective and to say he gets a free-pass because of the color of his skin is just plain stupid.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:15:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please... (none / 0)

Just stop...

You and your compatriots are just embarrassing yourselves...

Seriously. Just. Stop.

Take a step back from the edge. And stop.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:51:02 AM EST

Sorry... (none / 0)

...threaded wrong.

Meant as a response to labanman above...


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:52:23 AM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

This is all so pathetic.

Ferraro's comment is straight out of the Ann Coulter playbook.

And it is literally what Rush Limbaugh said about a black quarterback.

Democrats don't deserve the White House.


by Trent on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:57:07 AM EST

Re: EVERYONE KNOWS THIS (2.00 / 2)

No, Barack is where he is because the country is tired of this stupid red-blue state warfare.  And he is the ONLY candidate in the entire field talking about putting an end to it so we can actually get things done.

That is his appeal.  Not the color of his skin.

You may not remember when politics were not so divisive, but it has existed before and it will exist again.

Do you really think universal health care will occur with a 52-dem Senate?

The fact of the matter is, the Clintons bring a lot of this divisiveness to the table.  They always have and always will.  Hell, they actually STRUCTURE their campaign staffs to be divisive.  They LIKE when there are warring factions in the campaign to fight for their ideas.

Differing opinions are invaluable, but constant infighting is just plain dysfunctional.


by Trent on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:32:31 PM EST

Re: EVERYONE KNOWS THIS (none / 0)

 
 Hope you have more respect for our commander in chief when she is called madam president
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:49:49 PM EST
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Wrong... (none / 0)

... on so many levels.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:32:39 PM EST

Mydd is like Free Republic without (2.00 / 2)

the honesty.


by CarolinaNumber23 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:59:57 PM EST

yeah, cause you know (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporters just like to pick random people up on the street somewhere JUST based on the amount of melanin in the body and run them for president.

Hell, we do not even need a human.

Melanin for President!!!


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:00:44 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

I agree that the comparison between Obama and Edwards is interesting.. why did Edwards fair so poorly?  Their policies are very similar.  Edwards has name recognition - probably more than Obama before the campaigns really took off.  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:18:56 PM EST

Re: EVERYONE KNOWS THIS (none / 0)

Even the Obama worshippers know he is in this position because he is black.  They just cannot stand to face the truth. He has the same beliefs as John Edwards and JE had much more experience than him and is much more able to handle the white house than BO. But nooooo, we have to get the BO in there bcause it would be amoral for us not to just hand the presidency to a black man.

Hahahaha. Is this MyDD or Stormfront? I'm not sure if you're among the people threatening to leave the Party, Sickandtired, but I sure hope you do. If it were up to me, I'd boot your stupid ass out myself.


by RP McMurphy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:41:30 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters, what does this mean? (none / 0)

I agree that the comparison between Obama and Edwards is interesting.. why did Edwards fair so poorly?  Their policies are very similar.  Edwards has name recognition - probably more than Obama before the campaigns really took off.

1. The War. Although Edward's apology was commendable, it was too little too late.

  1. Edward's Senate voting record was to the right of both Hillary and Obama's.
  2. If you're gonna talk the talk, you'd better walk the walk. Edward's lavish lifestyle and coziness with hedge-funds didn't bolster the authenticity of his populist message.
  3. Obama's a much better politician.  


by RP McMurphy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:45:14 PM EST


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